50 PBA’S MOST DECORATED SUPERSTARS

October 16, 2009 by  

 

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First of all, the reason for this list is to scope out the players with the most number of recognizable achievements. Now you might ask… how will I rate this? The achievements mentioned here are the awards that they earned during their tenure as a player.

The criterion is as follows: The MVP Award is good for five points. The Mythical Five is good for three points while being part of the Mythical Ten earns one point. One point is also given to those players that won a Best Player of the Conference, Finals MVP, and All-Star MVP while an All-Defensive Team citation earns 0.5 points.

The players that were sighted as part of the 25 Greatest Players list will earn five points. Since the pioneers don’t enjoy many awards back in their day (the annual awards “package” only has the MVP, Rookie of the Year, and Mythical 5 plums), the pioneers automatically gets three points. RP Team members also get two points but the players have to participate in events such as the Olympics and the World Championships.

The Rookie of the Year unfortunately will not matter since this is not like the NBA where the Rookie of the Year then would eventually become a SUPER superstar in the near future (I am sighting Boybits Victoria, Rich Alvarez, Eugene Quilban, Larry Fonacier, Dondon Ampalayo, Willie Pearson, and Andy Seigle).

So for the tens of leaders reading this… (Chris could hate this while Ocho could like this) GAME STARTS NOW!

50 “J-WASH” JAY WASHINGTON
GOLD: Mythical 5 (2)

GLORY: After a dismal rookie season, Washington finally found his worth as the guy that gets the loose balls and convert it to either medium-range shots or explosive dunks. Formerly from TNT, the current SMB player has evolve into an all-around threat.

49 “ALO” AL SOLIS
GOLD: Mythical 5 (2)

GLORY: He started out as a backup at Shell and Purefoods. However, he rose to fame when he led the then-expansion Pop Cola team in points. He proved to be a great scorer outside the 2-point zone… like the usual norms of a typical southern player.

48 “THE SPARK” MARK CAGUIOA
GOLD: Mythical 5 (1), Mythical 10 (2), BPC (1), Finals MVP (1)

GLORY: Perhaps the most popular Ginebra player of the current generation, its funny how even if he is bar none face of the league, it seems like the awards snub his existence. Will this season break the jinx?

47 “H-BOMB” RUDY HATFIELD
GOLD: Mythical 5 (1), Mythical 10 (1), BPC (1), Finals MVP (1), All-Defensive Team (2)

GLORY: Triple H, I mean Rudy Hatfield is a small frontliner blessed with quickness and power. He loves to own rebounds and he helped Coke and Ginebra score titles. Had he didn’t go AWOL; Ginebra wouldn’t have a frontline problem (solved during Villanueva’s entry).

46 “THE MIGHTY MOUSE” JIMMY ALAPAG
GOLD: Mythical 5 (2), All-Star MVP (1)

GLORY: Asian players fear him while Philippine players idolize his court vision. His presence alone makes his team awesome. Aside from his accurate passing, his scoring accuracy beyond the arc is fabulous!

45 “THE MENACE” DENNIS ESPINO
GOLD: Mythical 5 (2), All-Defensive Team (2)

GLORY: Playing out of UST, this wily post-up scorer boasts the fact that he has helped Sta. Lucia in securing two championships. The interior is his realm. While he won’t block shots, his stingy defense and veteran smarts are commendable.

44 “BIG DAWG” DORIAN PENA
GOLD: Mythical 5 (2), Mythical 10 (1), All-Defensive Team (1)

GLORY: Yes, this entry seems… unreal. Well, we should all blame the 2000 and 2001 seasons where SMB monopolized the championships. But to his credit, he was a key defender and a sometimes scorer for the SMB five.

43 “THE SULTAN OF SWIPE” BERNIE FABIOSA
GOLD: 25 Best Players of the PBA, 2 Grand Slams

GLORY: Leading five legends (seven if you count Danny Florencio and Lim Eng Beng who briefly played for the Redmanizers) Guidaben, Co, Cezar, Adornado, and Hubalde wouldn’t have their storied career if not for his exemplary playmaking skills. He is a tiresome defender too.

42 “THE SKYWALKER; THE DRAGON” SAMBOY LIM
GOLD: Mythical 10 (2), All-Star MVP (1). 25 Best Players of the PBA, 1 Grand Slam

GLORY: While his career was brief and injury-plagued, Lim’s aerial artistry gave the Beermen something to cheer at during the 90’s. He could slice through a stonewall defense and throw dipsy-doos only him could perceive as shots.

41 “THE ROBOCOP” ALVIN TENG
GOLD: Mythical 10 (4), All-Star MVP (1). All-Defensive Team (6), 1 Grand Slam

GLORY: Known as a enforcer for his hard-nosed defense, he was one of the cogs of San Miguel’s glory days in the late 80’s and early 90’s. He then developed offense when he became the main man of the expansion team Pepsi.

40 “BIG GAME” JAMES YAP
GOLD: MVP (1), Mythical 5 (1)

GLORY: Predominantly an offensive player, he blossomed as a leader during Purefoods’ battles against Red Bull in mid-2000. He has the ability to disrupt an opponent’s defense because he can hit his shots in any distance.

39 “THE HAWK” BONG HAWKINS
GOLD: Mythical 5 (2), Mythical 10 (2), All-Defensive Team (1). 1 Grand Slam

GLORY: One of the cornerstones of the dominating Alaska squad that got a grand slam in 1996, he was an undersized power forward with a very effective side shot. He is also a capable defender and an excellent clutch performer.

38 “SPIDERMAN” ARWIND SANTOS
GOLD: Mythical 5 (2), Mythical 10 (1), All-Defensive Team (3)

GLORY: The youthful forward from FEU can play all five positions if needed. He is also a two-time MVP runner-up, as in these seasons, he averaged at least one in points, rebounds, assists, steals, and blocks.

37 “PIONEER” ADRIANO PAPA
GOLD: Mythical 5 (1), RP Olympic/FIBA-World Team Member (2)

GLORY: Playing for Crispa in the MICAA, he moved on to other squads before hanging his sneakers in 1980. Papa’s claim to fame is being a RP member? Well, unlike the current RP Team version, Papa played for two RP Teams that reached the Olympics.

36 “RARA” OLSEN RACELA
GOLD: Mythical 5 (2), Mythical 10 (1)

GLORY: During the late 90’s and the early 2000’s, the former Ateneo guard was voted as the best point guard of his time. He orchestrates well, plays with intensity, could score when needed, and gives his team clutch plays when asked.

35 “MAIN MAN” MANNY VICTORINO
GOLD: Mythical 5 (3)

GLORY: In the early 80’s, the sleepy-eyed Victorino was considered as the Dennis Espino of his generation. He is a post up player that has a credible jumper and could run the floor for a fast break or an unsuspecting block shot.

34 “BICOLANO SUPERMAN” YOYOY VILLAMIN
GOLD: Mythical 5 (1), Mythical 10 (3), All-Defensive Team (7)

GLORY: One of the more durable cagers to play in the league, the burly power forward was a force when he played for the Alaska Milkmen. He was bruising his way to the basket and he was thwarting shots. This feat also continued as part of the Pop Cola squad.

33 “THE DRAGON” LIM ENG BENG
GOLD: Mythical 5 (1), 25 Best Players of the PBA

GLORY: Known as a super scorer playing for DLSU in the NCAA, Beng was one of those significant PBA stars not playing for either Crispa and Toyota. While he did play for Crispa in the team’s final years, his steady scoring and great playmaking is his main assets.

32 “POINT LAUREATE” RONNIE MAGSANOC
GOLD: Mythical 5 (1), Mythical 10 (3), 25 Best Players of the PBA

GLORY: During the 90’s, you are not watching a Shell game when you don’t hear “Magsanoc… THREE POINTS” being shouted by the barker. He is a deadly outside shooter and a great assists guy (usually for Benjie Paras).

31 “DAREDEVIL” DANNY FLORENCIO
GOLD: 25 Best Players of the PBA, RP Olympic/FIBA-World Team Member (2)

GLORY: Here is another player who had international experience playing for the Olympics and at the World Championships. Florencio is a proven competitor. He takes emphasis on hustle and he could shoot anywhere possible in the court. He played for Crispa in the MICAA and then became a mainstay of Toyota in the PBA.

30 “SKYSCRAPER” MARLOU AQUINO
GOLD: Mythical 5 (2), Mythical 10 (2), BPC (1), Finals MVP (1), All-Defensive Team (4)

GLORY: He entered the league with such hype and while he failed to reach people’s expectations, when inspired, he was a force to reckon. Most of his accolades happened during the Ginebra team of the 90’s where they were a constant challenge for Alaska and SMB.

29 “THE DIRECTOR” HECTOR CALMA
GOLD: Mythical 5 (3), 25 Best Players of the PBA, 1 Grand Slam

GLORY: He was the man behind SMB’s dominating grand slam season. At 5’8, he demanded respect inside the hardcourt with his sure orchestration, great ball-handling skills, and crisp passes. He was also a part of the Ron Jacobs-coached Northern Consolidated Squad.

28 “DYNAMITE” DANNY SEIGLE
GOLD: Mythical 5 (3), Mythical 10 (1), BPC (2), Finals MVP (2)

GLORY: One of the most explosive scorers of the league’s history, surely Seigle could have won MVP titles had not for his injuries. His trademark tomahawk and hang-time jumpshot makes him a cut above the rest.

27 “MACHINE GUN” KELLY WILLIAMS
GOLD: MVP (1), Mythical 5 (2), Mythical 10 (1), BPC (1), Finals MVP (1), All-Defensive Team (1)

GLORY: One of the reasons why Sta. Lucia grew a lot of “devotees”, this thrillseeker loves to do emphatic throwdowns to scintillate the crowd. He is also an all-around player that could play multiple positions and can create for his shots.

26 “MONEY” MANNY PANER
GOLD: Mythical 5 (1), 25 Best Players of the PBA, RP Olympic/FIBA-World Team Member (2)

GLORY: He was once dubbed as the “Highest paid athlete in PBA history”, this burly center is a problem for his opponents. He has a set of moves to display down the shaded area and yet he is graceful enough to execute them, therefore getting three-point plays.

25 “THE JET” JEFFREY CARIASO
GOLD: Mythical 5 (3), Mythical 10 (2), BPC (1), Finals MVP (1), All-Defensive Team (4), 1 Grand Slam

GLORY: As the fourth scoring option at the Alaska grand slam squad, Cariaso moved to Mobiline where he became a leader. A deadshot from all angles, the durable Jet continued his game to Tanduay and Coke before returning to Alaska to prepare for his retirement.

24 “MAJOR PAIN” ERIC MENK
GOLD: MVP (1), Mythical 5 (1), Mythical 10 (1), BPC (3), Finals MVP (3), All-Defensive Team (1)

GLORY: A direct hire from the powerhouse Tanduay PBL squad, Menk would dominate the league with his relentless assault to make good use of the leather. When he moved to Ginebra, he became more popular and would bag a MVP plum.

23 “HELTERSKELTER” JAYJAY HELTERBRAND
GOLD: MVP (1), Mythical 5 (2), BPC (2), Finals MVP (1), All-Star MVP (2)

GLORY: He is fast, he can score in streaks, he has great court sense and his passing plays are fun to watch. As one half of the feared Fast and Furious tandem, he has moved out of the shadows of Mark Caguioa by winning a MVP award.

22 “THE BULL” NELSON ASAYTONO
GOLD: Mythical 5 (3), Mythical 10 (4), BPC (2), Finals MVP (2)

GLORY: The chinky-eyed mammoth bulldozed his way by leading Swift to various finishes. Moving to San Miguel, he at one point averaged 30 points a game. In two occasions, his actions resulted to runner up finishes for the MVP award.

21 “THE FOURTH QUARTER MAN” JOJO LASTIMOSA
GOLD: Mythical 5 (3), Mythical 10 (3), Finals MVP (1), 25 Best Players of the PBA, 1 Grand Slam

GLORY: Jolas started his career as a high-flyer that loves to dunk. When he transferred to Alaska, he developed an outside shot and his jumpers often came in bunches come crunch time. Thus, was the reason why he was called the Fourth Quarter Man!

20 “MR. CLUTCH” FRANCIS ARNAIZ
GOLD: Mythical 5 (3), 25 Best Players of the PBA, RP Olympic/FIBA-World Team Member (1)

GLORY: At one point he averaged 30 points in one conference, alongside Robert Jaworski, they formed a potent backcourt combo. He hits big shots when it matters and he could slice the defense with his penetration skills.

19 “ATOM BOMB” ATO AGUSTIN
GOLD: MVP (1), Mythical 5 (3), Mythical 10 (1), 25 Best Players of the PBA, 1 Grand Slam

GLORY: Injuries to SMB’s key men was enough for Agustin to break to the talent-heavy SMB lineup. He stroke jumpers with relative ease, and it often breaks a rally or thwarts hopes of an opponent to win the game.

18 “THE ROCK” ASI TAULAVA
GOLD: MVP (1), Mythical 5 (3), Mythical 10 (1), BPC (1), Finals MVP (1), All-Star MVP (2), All-Defensive Team (2)

GLORY: Part of the Fil-Am influx of the late 90’s, this Fil-Tongan giant is currently the top big man of Philippine Basketball. He can impose in both offensive and defensive ends plus his likeable charisma is adored by all.

17 “THE SHOOTER” FREDDIE HUBALDE
GOLD: MVP (1), Mythical 5 (3), 25 Best Players of the PBA, 2 Grand Slams

GLORY: He is a forward known for his sweet scoring touch. He’s also known to knock medium range bank shots as well as his trademark undergoal stabs. Throughout his stint with Crispa, he helped the team bag 13 crowns.

16 “AERIAL VOYAGER” VERGEL MENESES
GOLD: MVP (1), Mythical 5 (2), Mythical 10 (1), BPC (3), All-Star MVP (3), 25 Best Players of the PBA

GLORY: He is a main event guy blessed with the abilities to contort his body to deliver mind-boggling moves. He is also a great shooter and an awesome passer. He is often tagged as a Samboy Lim play-alike… but more durable.

15 “CAPTAIN MARBEL” KENNETH DUREMDES
GOLD: MVP (1), Mythical 5 (2), Mythical 10 (2), BPC (2), Finals MVP (2), All-Star MVP (1), 25 Best Players of the PBA

GLORY: Now the best person to resemble Meneses’ game is Captain Marbel. Duremdes started out as Meneses’ backup at Sunkist before Kenneth was traded to Alaska. The major difference in their game is that Kenneth was more explosive and more direct with his shots while Vergel was more creative.

14 “THE QUICK BROWN FOX” RICKY BROWN
GOLD: MVP (1), Mythical 5 (5), Mythical 10 (1), 25 Best Players of the PBA

GLORY: Despite standing under the shade of six feet, Brown was one of the better rebounding guards of his time. The former third round pick of the Houston Rockets was the first “localized” Fil-Am to play in the league. In a time where Fil-Ams were considered as a dominant basketball race, his scoring and defense were applauded by all.

13 “DEFENSE MINISTER” JERRY CODINERA
GOLD: Mythical 5 (3), Mythical 10 (5), BPC (2), Finals MVP (1), All-Defensive Team (9), 25 Best Players of the PBA

GLORY: The highest ranking player to not win a MVP plum, alongside Alvin Patrimonio, they form an awesome one-two punch for Purefoods. He loves to snare caroms and deflect shots and impose his presence under the boards. He was also the first person to win the Best Player of the Conference Award.

12 “THE THRILLER” WILLIE MILLER
GOLD: MVP (2), Mythical 5 (3), Mythical 10 (2), BPC (2), Finals MVP (2), All-Star MVP (1), All-Defensive Team (1)

GLORY: The only MBA player to become a draft’s top pick is also the first MBA player to win the MVP award (the second is Helterbrand). At 5’10, he is unfazed at an opponent’s height and would go straight to the basket if his opponent underestimates him. He can also score jumpers and grab rebounds and dish passes when asked.

11 “DEMOLITION MAN; RAISE THE ROOF KID” DANNY ILDEFONSO
GOLD: MVP (2), Mythical 5 (2), Mythical 10 (3), BPC (5), Finals MVP (5), All-Star MVP (1)

GLORY: People would think that Danny I. is insanely high on the list. However, most of his accolades came when the Beermen were lording over the league in the 2000-01 season. Plus, despite Seigle’s should be-MVP seasons, Ildefonso completed what Seigle’s frail body failed to do. And getting 5 straight Best Player of the Conference and Finals MVP awards? Come on now!

10 “THE TRIGGERMAN” ALLAN CAIDIC
GOLD: MVP (1), Mythical 5 (6), Mythical 10 (2), BPC (1), All-Star MVP (1), 25 Best Players of the PBA

GLORY: The Triggerman is perhaps the most feared Filipino since the “PBA” period. While the Caloy Loyzaga-led squad dominated the international ranks, Asian hoopstars know that Caidic has a pretty mean shooting streak when not checked! In the PBA, he is the only local to score 79 points and 17 triples. Leaving him defense-less in the three point area is a mortal sin then.

9 “THE PRIDE OF CAMIGUIN” ABET GUIDABEN
GOLD: MVP (2), Mythical 5 (5), 25 Best Players of the PBA, RP Olympic/FIBA-World Team Member (1), 2 Grand Slams

GLORY: It was said that he was overshadowed by his more successful teammates in the 70’s. But when the 80’s struck, this Crispa Redmanizer burst into stardom. He played for 8 teams and was twice traded for Ramon Fernandez. While a journeyman late in his career, he had the most number of games, second in most points scored, and had an everlasting mark as one of the best in the league.

8 “THE SCHOLAR” PHILIP CEZAR
GOLD: MVP (1), Mythical 5 (7), Mythical 10 (1), All-Defensive Team (4), 25 Best Players of the PBA, 2 Grand Slams

GLORY: Cezar could have won more awards had there been more awards in the PBA’s early stages. He is a gifted athlete that has a nose for the ball. He is a strong fan of team play and would rather claim rings than individual accolades. He is dubbed the “Original Tapal King” because of his stingy and unrelenting defense. Last May 15, 1975, his 23 points, 16 rebounds, and 10 blocks made Cezar become the first PBA player to accomplish a triple-double.

7 “TOWER OF POWER” BENJIE PARAS
GOLD: MVP (2), Mythical 5 (5), Mythical 10 (3), BPC (1), Finals MVP (1), All-Star MVP (2), 25 Best Players of the PBA

GLORY: He is the only player to win Top Rookie and Top Player honors in the same season. The former UP Maroon was blessed with quickness and power which was poised to make him dominate the paint. He has also a top of the key set shot a la Chris Webber that is mercilessly accurate. While injuries made the middle of his career stagnant, a decade after he won his first MVP, he bested Danny Seigle to repeat as the league’s premier player in 1999.

6 “FLYING A” JOHNNY ABARRIENTOS
GOLD: MVP (1), Mythical 5 (7), Mythical 10 (1), BPC (2), Finals MVP (2), All-Defensive Team (4), 25 Best Players of the PBA, 1 Grand Slam

GLORY: The spitfire from FEU impressed a lot with his style that he almost planed to Charlotte to try out for the Hornets. Arguably, the best pointguard to ever play the sport, this diminutive 5’8 point could quarterback the team to victory. He could cream his opponents via his dribble penetrations, step back jumpers, or long toms. In his prime, he topped the league in assists and steals. His career experienced rebirth with the Tigers in the early 2000’s.

5 “THE LIVING LEGEND; THE BIG J” ROBERT JAWORSKI
GOLD: MVP (1), Mythical 5 (6), Mythical 10 (2), All-Defensive Team (3), 25 Best Players of the PBA, RP Olympic/FIBA-World Team Member (2)

GLORY: Perhaps the most popular player to ever grace the sport, this Pied Piper of basketball could make people hate him or adore him. From his glamour boy stint at Toyota to his crowd darling days in Ginebra, the league wouldn’t have experienced this support had not for the Big J’s antics. And as a player, this former playing coach was the first person to score a three-point shot, which he was perfected along with his crisp passes, baseball throws, elbow motions, and animated gameplay.

4 “THE FORTUNE COOKIE” ATOY CO
GOLD: MVP (1), Mythical 5 (9), 25 Best Players of the PBA, 2 Grand Slams

GLORY: Before Allan Caidic, Co was considered as league’s best shooter. Amongst his trademarks are his stop and pop jumper and his turn-around fadeaway shot. Norman Black once uttered that Co would be alone during fast breaks and instead of a lay-up, he would stop and pop a jump shot. No one does it better than F. Co Jr. In his 14 seasons, he was the first person to reach 5,000 and 10,000 points. If there was a three point line in 1975 he would have reached the 1,000-three point mark faster than Allan Caidic and Ronnie Magsanoc.

3 “MR. NICE GUY” BOGS ADORNADO
GOLD: MVP (3), Mythical 5 (7), 25 Best Players of the PBA, RP Olympic/FIBA-World Team Member (2), 1 Grand Slam

GLORY: The first-ever MVP of the league (and back-to-back MVP of the PBA), the former UST Glowing Goldie has a textbook jump shot that seems unstoppable during the game’s wilting moments. Off-court he is nice, but make no mistake, he is all business once he dons his team uniform. Amongst Crispa’s big names, Bogs was the first legend to leave the team before it disbanded. He captured a MVP plum in 1981 making him the first player to win two MVP titles in two separate teams.

2 “THE CAPTAIN” ALVIN PATRIMONIO
GOLD: MVP (4), Mythical 5 (10), Mythical 10 (1), BPC (3), Finals MVP (1), All-Star MVP (1), 25 Best Players of the PBA

GLORY: He is the second-most popular player after Robert Jaworski. He is a prolific and phenomenal scorer that ranks third in the all-time points list. He plays the power forward position and his version of Hakeem Olajuwon’s “dream shake” is an automatic deuce. He won’t back down in terms of banging bodies in the shaded area. However, during the Fil-Am invasion, he found it hard to play the power forward spot. He forced himself to evolve into a small forward whose three-point shooting has a high accuracy.

1 “EL PRESIDENTE; THE FRANCHISE” RAMON FERNANDEZ
GOLD: MVP (4), Mythical 5 (13), Mythical 10 (3), 25 Best Players of the PBA, RP Olympic/FIBA-World Team Member (1), 1 Grand Slam

GLORY: He is the league’s all-time leader in points, rebounds, blocks and is second all-time in assists and steals. He has won a total of 19 championships, including a grand slam feat as part of the San Miguel Beermen. He is quick, he could dribble, he could rebound, and he could pass the ball as he can play all five positions with relative ease. His signature move is the “elegant shot”, where Don Ramon would use a one-handed running jumper as an offensive weapon. In 1984, playing for Beerhausen, he almost averaged a triple double in that season. He has an uncanny passing ability, a perimeter jump shot, and a different array of offensive moves that looks weird because it was so innovative. Now who’ll say that he doesn’t deserve to be in the top spot?

So this ends the list. Glad to be of service. Now onto the greater things in life such as blogging on Korean dramas with beautiful women or watching Survivor Philippines: Palau (Cris Bolado was defeated by a former man)!

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Comments

  • rene

    i guess your scope was based on pba players, otherwise, where are the loyzagas, badions, marquez, reynosos, etc. etc….

  • erwin

    Asi Taulava should be ranked higher..
    He is a 9 Time Rebounding Champion. I repeat 9 time rebounding champion.
    There is no one aside of ASI to win the rebounding title more than 5 times

    And here’s one for you…Miller ranked 36 places above Caguioa. Yes a miller who choked two freethrows in game 7.

  • erwin

    Pena is there but Belasco is no where to be found.

    How about the impact of jimmy alapag in 2007 NT. He should not be 23 places behind helterbrand. Very few players in this decade to win 2 all-filipino title

  • erwin

    players of 70s are at a disadvantage considering there has no BPC and DT that time.

  • http://sydman.multiply.com SYDMAN

    hello rene and erwin!

    here’s the thing… this is not a PBA’s BEST PLAYERS thread but the PBA’s MOST DECORATED THREAD. so, those that have the most significant trophies rank higher than the others.

    the pioneers… I gave them 3 bonus points. Anything higher would mean they’ll virtually clog the top ten spot.

    for erwin, unless jimmy and mark wins a MVP award, they deserve to be down there. like I said, this is a “paramihan ng trophies award”!

    and while there is a scoring, rebounding, assist, steal and block title, this doesn’t mean that they actually a scoring trophy that they hand out on the players. that is why rookie of the year titles don’t matter… because in order for a player to get more awards, the players has to win many championships.

    and yeah, inasmuch as I don’t pena in this thread, you the fans voted for him to win 2 mythical five citations!

    you guys seriously need to look at my criterion and their trophies.

    I’m looking at the history books here because if it were me, jaworski would have been number 1, caidic would be higher, samboy lim and hector calma would be higher, dorian pena will not be there and enrico villanueva would at least fill a spot. Sorry. :)

  • http://sydman.multiply.com SYDMAN

    and i don’t care but earl sonny alvarado, poch juinio, noli locsin, bal david, chito loyzaga and yves dignadice should be there too!

  • erwin

    how about the three 3 all-star three point king of jimmy alapag. There is a tangible throphy there. About the manila invitational(PBA sanction) MVP of jimmy alapag in 2007

  • http://sydman.multiply.com SYDMAN

    the what? wait is that the one where they battled lebanon? look, sure its a pba-sanctioned event but who were the other winners of that event in its decade-long history? It’s a one-time deal. If that’s the case then I would have included the TM Greats versus the TM Legends match MVP, or the Crispa-Toyota reunion MVP, or the 1998 invitational MVP, and even when the PBA All-Stars fought the ABC All-Stars bannered by Romel Adducul and Gong Xiaobin!

    And the three point king? Come on dude, I snubbed the Rookie of the Year award because I don’t think some guys that won that deserve to have Hall of Fame careers. I’d rather include the sportsmanship award than that.

    This thread… is seriously debatable. How about this, give me a concrete list and a concrete reason for their ranks… that doesn’t involve because you love the player and you play like him when you step on the court. I mean actual facts in the truest form.

    And if you think this ranking tanks, then watch C-Webb’s Fab Five at nba.com! That is BIAS as you know it.

    Sorry dude but I don’t pad stats that I don’t agree on. I’ll pad the pioneers because they are pioneers. but not like this.

    Make you own list and let’s break it down. :)

  • http://sydman.multiply.com SYDMAN

    and please don’t question the 25 greatest players and the olympians because while they are one-time deals, here are the citations that deserves massive praise. :)

  • the-ocho

    No arguments on the top 3. But you can make a case for Jawo’s most improtant trophy, the baranggay Ginebra fans :). Wiithout him, the PBA may not be as popular today.

    Teng over Espino? HMMMMMM
    Marlou only at 30? Double HMMMMMM

    Nevertheless, great list Syd!

    * You forgot Wynne Arboleda’s MMA Lightheavyweight belt MWEHEHEHEHE

  • Chrisangelo (No net access at home)

    Hi guys, no net access at home so medyo late yung mga planned post ko.

    Anyway, on the list… I have only one comment..

    Dickie “Bachman Returns/Forever” Bachman should be in there for his nickname alone!

  • http://sydman.multiply.com SYDMAN

    ^ chris: i agree

    to all: I am sooooooo controversial right now.

    but wait… controversy creates cash.

    ^ ochoman… the lightweight belt will be battled in a steel cage!

  • erwin

    how about the 2 MVP awards of willer miller when other franchise players were on loan to the NT. You did not include ROY by a substance over form principle. Then including miller’s MVP that with go down to the minds of basketball fans as an award that should have an asteris beside it.

    i believe meneses won all-star MVP 4 times..

    Alapag’s MVP was a 4 nation tourney, i think that is more decorative on his part compared to the all-star MVP which is the real one-time deal.

  • http://www.sydrified.blogspot.com SYDMAN

    ERWIN NAMAN EH!

    okay, i think chrisangelo and I had the same discussion a while back and I feel its not miller’s fault but the pba’s fault for voting him MVP. and you can’t fault the fact that he has talent. actually if you are looking at his current stats in the philippine cup, he just had a triple-double and a double-double. blame the pba for making him the mvp.

    i’m sorry but they were invited to play for the flag and they agreed. had miller got invited to play for the flag and not alapag, and alapag wins the mvp will you tell people that alapag is an asterisk mvp. i really think its unfair for people discrediting a person for the richest individual prize of philippine basketball history.

    on alapag, i think you have mancrush for the 10th pick overall of the 2003 draft. i will tell you this: he is a better playmaker than helterbrand because he sets his team up while jayjay relies on the fast break/ ginebra run and gun offense. but fact of the matter is he needs more big time gold. he has been in the league for almost 6 years and he only placed twice in a mythical team. miller has 5 mythical team appearances since entering the league in 2001. now why is that?

    like i said, if that rp team stint was for a world championship or a olympiad, then i… er, just do a list and lets cover it player by player so I could upload it and let others vote for it.

    on meneses = oops. my bad. :)

  • the-ocho

    Don’t want to add to your agrevation Syd, but it seems you missed out on Abe “Chairman of the Boards” King :D The guy we the quintessential power foward during his time, the guuy Alvin Ptrimonio feared the most, asomeone who once scored 60 points in 1 game.

  • http://www.sydrified.blogspot.com SYDMAN

    again…

    NAMAN EH!!!

    Abe King is a 1-time M5, 1-time M10, and a 3-time Def Team member which, in my equation, would be 5.5 (3+1+1.5) (My top 51-60 are as follows: cardona, martirez, king, belasco, enrico villanueva, kerby raymundo, peek, estoy estrada, chito loyzaga, and rey evangelista. My top 61 – 75 are as follows: arnie tuadles, bong alvarez, vic pablo, allado, capacio, gary david, chris jackson, padim israel, willie pearson, and vince hizon.

    probably, i need to highlight my criterion for you to understand the rankings.

    also, click here so you can compute yourselves!

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PBA_MVP

    I AM NOT MAD!!!!!!!!!!!

    AAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!

    PARAMIHAN KASI NG AWARDS TO EH!!!

    AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRGHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!

  • erwin

    don’t get me wrong, i have miller ahead of alapag but not by 34 spots.

    Alapag lacks gold? Name me a superstar(drafted from 1996 onwards) that won all-filipino title twice? i bet you are you can hardly name 3 players at an instance

  • the-ocho

    AIYT! Don’t get too pissed. Just thought he was forgotten. :D Still a great list overall :D

  • http://www.sydrified.blogspot.com SYDMAN

    ocho: boo!

    erwin: wait! halt! again let’s look at the computations!

    miller (2 MVP = 10 points, 3 M5 = 9 points, 2 M10 = 2 points. I won’t even go to the other awards because…)

    alapag (2 M5 = 6, 1 All-Star MVP = 1 pt.)

    please read the criterion. for the nth time, “paramihan ng mga OK na awards” ‘to! this is not a best player list!

    damn it, from the looks of things, I seriously fear writing a best pba players list!

    ocho: boo!!!

  • http://www.sydrified.blogspot.com SYDMAN

    and by the way, helterbrand, abarrientos, menk, caguioa, hawkins, lastimosa, salvacion, patrimonio, juinio, and for chrisangelo…

    DICKIE “BACHMANN FOREVER” BACHMANN!

  • http://www.sydrified.blogspot.com SYDMAN

    by the way, willie miller was the finals mvp when talk n text won the 2004-05 fiesta cup.

  • erwin

    why would you not give more weight to the championship won?

    this is not UAAP where in you can win the MVP despite having your team in 3rd or 4th place of an 8 team pack.

    championships play a vital cog in assessing the legacy of a player

  • http://www.sydrified.blogspot.com SYDMAN

    dude!!!!!!

    i rate individual records better because this is a thread about individual honors!!! why are you concerned about jimmy alapag anyway? i am a fan of jimmy alapag as well! ask chrisangelo when we did a jimmy versus jayjay debate, i voted for jayjay. but COME ON!

    and honestly, if you’re going to go with the individual accolades, TNT had 2 finals and 3 runner-up finishes since 2003. There are A LOT of players with more championships than Alapag. Hell, the Alaska core of 1996 had 3 championships in one year! Miller, had championships with Red Bull, TNT, and Alaska!

    please try to not be a fan and think technical for a sec!

  • Marco

    Jaworski, 5th only?hahaha what an ignorance!

  • Marco

    Don’t get me wrong, i just realized that Jawo had his playing time limited due to coaching chores, so thre was little ignorance on your mechanics hehehe, good post though.

  • erwin

    as far as decorated careers are concerned, it’s hard to ignore the championships won compared to other players of his generation. There is no other superstar that manage to win 2 all-filipino championships.

    Im not a fan of alapag but i just hate the criteria you used to begin with. Ask any player and they would tell you that championships are better decorations that any MVP award.

    And for sure racela would trade his MT membership just to be part of the 2007 NT.

    Do not focus SOLELY on individual awards in highlighting the career of the player. It makes little sense.

  • erwin

    moreover you used the word superstar in the title of your article. Superstar more of a marketing word than anything else. And the impact to how the game is played contributed a lot superstar status of a player. Reminds us of caguioa, jaworski and samboy lim.

    I would say this, jaworski is a better superstar than fernandez but fernandez is the greater player of the two

  • http://www.sydrified.blogspot.com SYDMAN

    err… pba is called “bayan ng mga superstars”. the???

    on marco: if this was a player love thread, i’d definitely put jaworski, patrimonio, and caguioa on my top three because they were the key figures of their respective eras (maybe co, caidic and samboy too but the 80′s were merely an extension of the 70′s stars).

    but just like what i am trying to point out, I was doing a “paramihan ng awards” type of thread (i have been saying for so many times).

    I DON’T AGREE ON WHAT THE RESULTS CREATED BUT I ABIDE TO WHATEVER HISTORY POINTS OUT!

    while I agree, this is a very, VERY controversial and debatable post, and yeah, erwin is seriously making me think and research more than ever, TEAM TITLES DON’T MATTER HERE!

    PLEASE! It seems like you went straight to the list and didn’t bother to look at the other paragraphs!

    what I know is this: If this was a BEST PLAYER THREAD…

    1) Ildefonso will be a ten places lower: I say this because if Miller won the MVP awards due to lack of better competition, Danny I was merely a support for Danny S during those days. He just played more games!

    2) Adornado too. I like his sweet shooting aura but he seems like not popular a la co, jawo, or even philip cezar.

    3) Jun Limpot, Abe King, Arnie Tuadles, Chito Loyzaga, Dante Gonzalgo, Rudolf Kutch, Ricky Relosa will in some capacity replace some of the players in the list. Why? I remember these guys being awesome in their heyday and I want these guys to get remembered by you guys.

    4) jimmy alapag will be higher and willie miller will be a tad lower. erwin, in a best players list, this will happen. NOT IN THIS LIST THOUGH!

    5) Samboy, Espino, Calma and Florencio will be higher.

    6) Pena, Washington, Arwind, and Solis will be out of the ranks. No offense to these guys but I can’t see their young selves roaming in a best player list. Maybe in the NBA, 5-year guys like Lebron, Wade and Melo could roam the list but I believe some of the guys mentioned were just plain lucky to play in a title squad and get playing time at this stage of their careers.

    BUT AGAIN, THIS IS A MOST DECORATED LIST!

    AND AGAIN, erwin you haven’t given a top 50 yet.

    THIS THREAD IS EXHAUSTING!!!!!!! (and at the same time, it gives the site a serious number of hits)

    CHRIS, DO SOMETHING CONTROVERSIAL!!! HEHE!

  • erwin

    i have a list a year ago of top 35 since the pba is entering its 35th year.
    I’ll post my list this weekend. I still have to find it. I posted it in a forum.

    but i rather respect a list made by a panel. it minimized bias

    but in a nutshell, i have miller and caguioa ahead of helterbrand and alapag
    i have asi taulava way higher. Caguioa is easily a top 30 material. Maybe even squeezing in the top 20. He is a three time scoring champion and his impact to the way the game is played.

    helterbrand gained around 15 spots higher by winning the MVP. All though i think cardona deserved it more.

    i have little knowledge on the pioneers of the pba so i have to abide on what the records shows and what i hear of older people.

    This is my criteria on ATG list.

    60% resume
    20% overall ability
    20% impact and timeliness

  • http://sydman.multiply.com SYDMAN

    yes do that! and dude, this is a thread that is extremely different from mine. I did a top 30 once or twice…

    http://hoops.blink.ph/2007/05/16/sydman%E2%80%99s-side-defect-brgy-ginbera-%E2%80%93-kings-of-the-court/

    http://hoops.blink.ph/2007/07/24/sydman%E2%80%99s-side-defect-san-miguel-30/

    http://hoops.blink.ph/2007/10/01/sydman%E2%80%99s-side-defect-purefoods-30/

    outdated, yeah but still…

    hehe psst, boss, nakadagit ako yata ako ng manunulat…

    mukhang pwede ‘to. hehe…

  • erwin

    if this article is “paramihan ng individual awards” then change the title of the article.

    because it is clear to everybody that championships and impact are vital criteria for one to be considered a decorated superstar

  • http://www.sydrified.blogspot.com SYDMAN

    wait that’s not my last thread…

    wait…

    oh there it is.

    don’t worry, whoever is reading this will definitely read the comments page and it would take a seriously daft prick to not realize what the thread is all about.

    and to make this comment useful, i will sing a particular song from the yesteryears.

    To the tune of “Another One Bites The Dust”

    “p-b-a *bzzt* bayan ng mga superstars! p-b-a *bzzt* bayan ng mga superstars! taga-dito ako! taga-dito ako! sa bayan ng superstars! HOY! handa na kayo…”

  • Marco

    Unang una, yung kanta mong bayan ng superstar ay 1998-1999 pa nung lumabas ang MBA, kaya dun pa lang medyo sablay na. I agree with Erwin, challenge your title. Hindi ba pwedeng ipang decorate sa career ang CHAMPIONSHIP?

  • Marco

    So dapat pala mas decorated si Kareem kay Jordan dahil mas madami sya MVP awards?

  • Marco

    At kahit anu pang category, walang papayag na mas mataas si Teng ke Samboy.

  • erwin

    My top 51

    60% accomplishments, 20% overall ability, 20% impact and timeliness

    Bracket 1
    1. Ramon Fernandez

    Bracket 2
    2. Alvin Patrimonio

    Bracket 3
    3. William Adornado
    4. Robert Jaworski

    Bracket 4
    5. Johnny Abarrientos
    6. Atoy Co
    7. Allan Caidic

    Bracket 5
    8. Benjie Paras
    9. Asi Taulava
    10. Philip Cezar
    11. Danny Seigle
    12. Abet Guidaben

    Bracket 6
    13. Vergel Meneses
    14. Ricardo Brown
    15. Francis Arnaiz
    16. Hector Calma

    Bracket 7
    17. Kenneth Duremdes
    18. Jerry Codinera
    19. Eric Menk
    20. Danny Ildefonso

    Bracket 8
    21. Samboy Lim
    22. Mark Caguioa
    23. Freddie Hubalde
    24. Jojo Lastimosa

    Bracket 9
    25. James Yap
    26. Nelson Asaytono
    27. Bong Hawkins
    28. Kelly Williams
    29. Willie Miller

    Bracket 10
    30. Jayjay Helterbrand
    31. Manny Paner
    32. Danny Florencio
    33. Jimmy Alapag
    34. Ato Agustin
    35. Ronnie Magsanoc
    36. Lim Eng Beng
    37. Bernie Fabiosa
    38. Olsen Racela
    39. Rudy Hatfield

    Bracket 11
    40. Arnie Tuadles
    41. Adriano Papa
    42. Yoyoy Villamin
    43. Jeffrey Cariaso
    44. Manny Victorino
    45. Dennis Espino
    46. Kerby Raymundo
    47. Marlou Aquino
    48. Arwind Santos
    49. Etoy Estrada
    50. Jun Limpot
    51. Abe King

  • http://www.sydrified.blogspot.com SYDMAN

    ok… best players na to right?

    as in BEST na walang INDIVIDUAL trophies…

    una, caguioa should be up top of samboy because samboy was injury prone throughout his career. this means, ato agustin should be higher because when samboy and company were injured, he was the one that stepped up alongside alvin teng (a double-double player back then) during the early 90′s. that’s why agustin bagged an MVP and samboy didn’t. I will also not rate james yap that high because he just had ONE iconic year in the league.

    you didn’t include fanbase in your criterion so this means yap’s popularity shouldn’t be used as basis. i guess that’s the reason why you rank bogs ahead of jawo. I think jawo is a shoo-in for third.

    you also ranked racela over fabiosa… racela was once heralded as the top point of the country while fabiosa had the fact that his work was easy because he passed the ball to 5 MVP players. hell, he didn’t even made any mythical 5′s despite earning 2 grand slams. cariaso is very, very consistent… more consistent than duremdes, hubalde, and arnaiz during their heydays. look at his stats… he was a sure 14 – 4 – 4 for 10 years. are you sure, about dennis espino’s rank?

    danny seigle over 16 25 Greatest Players of the PBA? your explanation should be good. i like the guy but i can’t see rating that high.

    estoy estrada and adriano papa didn’t or barely reached the 80′s. i bet if you combine their tenures they won’t even reach 12 seasons!

    i won’t even touch the miller subject but for a player who currently averages 22 points 10 rebounds and 7.5 assists… again I won’t touch that subject.

    and finally, sure I know the 60% accomplishments, 20% impact, and 20% overall ability what exactly are you trying to say here? this is a very broad guideline. the one thing you forgot is fanbase because this is how other readers would react. sure, you used the BRACKET as if to say “either/or” but why batch them up if the reader doesn’t know what you’re guidelines were to make a bracket.

    it seems like you’re not confident of your picks if you put them on a bracket.

    you see, this is the difference between you and I: i made a topic that is DEBATABLE but people are AWARE of the GUIDELINES so DISCUSSION is free-flowing while you pretty much FORCE FEED your thoughts without a semblance of RESEARCH.

    this is like the email the BAP bigwigs did to get the vote of FIBA… there is a reason why it didn’t work.

    if you feel your next thread is lenghty, link a site and share as a more concise way to stuff your brain to our system.

    Game over.

  • erwin

    Fanbase is part of the impact of a player.

    Before you say game over, answer this one first. Would a not include championships and NT stint as a decoration in a player’s career?
    I would not react if you just stated in your title “paramihan ng wards”. But championships can not be ignored in assessing the decorative aspect of one’s career. Impact is also an important criterion attacted to the word superstar.

    As for bracketing, it is a way of saying that it is short of crime to rank a player higher than the set of players in the upper brackets.
    Because almost every player value championships more than individual awards. And for some, individual awards are just icing on the cake. Championships are the centerpiece of one’s career.

    As for samboy lim, he has a grandslam while agustin doesn’t have one. Also skillwise, sambot is miles ahead of ato agustin. Samboy and Lastimosa should not be separated by more than 10 spots imo.
    Ato agustin has attained superstar status for only four years while james yap is in the 5th year of his superstardom, so it makes sense to have yap higher than agustin.

    Danny Seigle is the best offensive player ever and I have overall ability part of my criteria. Same goes with Estrada and Papa.

    As for willie miller, I would ask you, where is his all-filipino title? I would say he is the best player of this decade had Alaska only won last year’s Philippine cup. But he chocked in the biggest stage of all.

    Racela can not be on the top 5 point guards ever, why? He only has one all-filipino title and missed two FTs in Asian games 2002

    Im ok with my ranking of cariaso and espino. They are around that area. They can not be top 40.

  • http://www.sydrified.blogspot.com SYDMAN

    so… you should have said fanbase instead of popularity right? the choice of words was the biggest problem why there’s a huge thread that erupted here, no?

    you explained it. it is your rankings so except for my long comment, i respect your decision.

    Game over (finally)!

  • erwin

    syd, thank for making a list. I appreciate it because philippine basketball needs writers like you who stirs up conversation of basketball history

    peace out!

  • miron_lang

    Jaworski should be at least #3 or 2.

    Jaworski ? Bogs and Atoy

  • Bianca

    I can\’t believe that Mac Cardona is not there….The man deserves it more than the others there..Hmm…Anyways that\’s your opinion.

  • http://cool-face-off.blogspot.com/ NEIL

    yeah, bianca’s right… macmac has his own BPC award and mythical selection award… the same with gary david who has a mythical selection, member of deffensive team and sportsmanship award last 07-08 season..

  • http://n/a kaBOOM313

    How about ranking the imports in the PBA?

  • http://hoops.blink.ph/2009/10/16/50-pba%E2%80%99s-most-decorated-superstars/ dannivince

    Danny Seigle has i think 5 finals MVP..correct me if im wrong..